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Hikari no yume: link MU series

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link MU series

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	'''TG300B mode''' is a feature on some [[Yamaha XG]] devices that provides unofficial compatibility with [[Roland GS]] (i.e. the [[Roland SC-55\|SC-55]]). It also provides some compatibility with the [[Roland SC-88]].		'''TG300B mode''' is a feature on some [[Yamaha XG]] devices, especially the [[Yamaha MU series]], that provides unofficial compatibility with [[Roland GS]] (i.e. the [[Roland SC-55\|SC-55]]). It also provides some compatibility with the [[Roland SC-88]].

	Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. In testing, it seems to support a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages, among others:		Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. In testing, it seems to support a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages, among others:

Hikari no yume: /* Name */ remove italics

2024-08-26T00:26:21Z

Name: remove italics

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	== Name ==		== Name ==

	The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark. Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks more like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>		The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark. Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for other computer music tone generators".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks more like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>

	After a firmware upgrade, the [[Yamaha MU1000\|MU1000]] and [[Yamaha MU2000\|MU2000]]'s TG300B modes officially became GS modes.		After a firmware upgrade, the [[Yamaha MU1000\|MU1000]] and [[Yamaha MU2000\|MU2000]]'s TG300B modes officially became GS modes.

Hikari no yume: Link to category

2024-08-25T23:38:13Z

Link to category

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	Like the [[Roland SC-55]], the patch set for TG300B mode includes [[Roland CM-64]] compatibility banks. Unlike the SC-55, many XG devices also offer a specific CM-64-compatible mode ([[C/M mode]]).		Like the [[Roland SC-55]], the patch set for TG300B mode includes [[Roland CM-64]] compatibility banks. Unlike the SC-55, many XG devices also offer a specific CM-64-compatible mode ([[C/M mode]]).

			See also [[:Category:TG300B mode devices]].

	== Name ==		== Name ==

Hikari no yume: /* Name */ mention MU1000/MU2000

2024-08-25T19:45:40Z

Name: mention MU1000/MU2000

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	The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark. Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks more like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>		The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark. Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks more like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>

			After a firmware upgrade, the [[Yamaha MU1000\|MU1000]] and [[Yamaha MU2000\|MU2000]]'s TG300B modes officially became GS modes.

	== References ==		== References ==

Hikari no yume: clarify what GS means here

2024-08-25T19:43:26Z

clarify what GS means here

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	'''TG300B mode''' is a feature on some [[Yamaha XG]] devices that provides unofficial [[Roland GS]] compatibility.		'''TG300B mode''' is a feature on some [[Yamaha XG]] devices that provides unofficial compatibility with [[Roland GS]] (i.e. the [[Roland SC-55\|SC-55]]). It also provides some compatibility with the [[Roland SC-88]].

	Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. In testing, it seems to support a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages, among others:		Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. In testing, it seems to support a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages, among others:

Hikari no yume: move euphemism discussion to its own section

2024-08-25T19:40:56Z

move euphemism discussion to its own section

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	'''TG300B mode''' is a feature on some [[Yamaha XG]] devices that provides unofficial [[Roland GS]] compatibility.		'''TG300B mode''' is a feature on some [[Yamaha XG]] devices that provides unofficial [[Roland GS]] compatibility.

	The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark; Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks more like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>

	Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. In testing, it seems to support a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages, among others:		Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. In testing, it seems to support a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages, among others:
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	Like the [[Roland SC-55]], the patch set for TG300B mode includes [[Roland CM-64]] compatibility banks. Unlike the SC-55, many XG devices also offer a specific CM-64-compatible mode ([[C/M mode]]).		Like the [[Roland SC-55]], the patch set for TG300B mode includes [[Roland CM-64]] compatibility banks. Unlike the SC-55, many XG devices also offer a specific CM-64-compatible mode ([[C/M mode]]).

			== Name ==

			The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark. Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks more like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>

	== References ==		== References ==

Hikari no yume: mention SysEx support

2024-07-15T21:13:27Z

mention SysEx support

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	The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark; Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks more like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>		The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark; Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks more like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>

	Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. ~~However~~, ~~testing suggests~~ it ~~supports~~ a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages ~~(not just~~ GS Reset).		Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. In testing, it seems to support a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages, among others:

			* GS Reset (switches to TG300B mode)<ref name=hikari-cbx-k1xg>Tested by [[User:hikari_no_yume\|hikari_no_yume]] on a Yamaha CBX-K1XG.</ref>
			* Editing the reverb and chorus (type, rate, delay, feedback level, etc)<ref name=hikari-cbx-k1xg></ref>
			* Per-part controller mappings, including LFOs<ref name=hikari-cbx-k1xg></ref>
			* Per-part voice editing (e.g. adjusting filter cutoff)<ref name=hikari-cbx-k1xg></ref>
			* Drum setup editing (e.g. reverb level for drums)<ref name=hikari-cbx-k1xg></ref>

	Like the [[Roland SC-55]], the patch set for TG300B mode includes [[Roland CM-64]] compatibility banks. Unlike the SC-55, many XG devices also offer a specific CM-64-compatible mode ([[C/M mode]]).		Like the [[Roland SC-55]], the patch set for TG300B mode includes [[Roland CM-64]] compatibility banks. Unlike the SC-55, many XG devices also offer a specific CM-64-compatible mode ([[C/M mode]]).

Hikari no yume: mention C/M mode

2024-05-19T22:55:21Z

mention C/M mode

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	Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. However, testing suggests it supports a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages (not just GS Reset).		Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. However, testing suggests it supports a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages (not just GS Reset).

	Like the [[Roland SC-55]], the patch set for TG300B mode includes [[Roland CM-64]] compatibility banks.		Like the [[Roland SC-55]], the patch set for TG300B mode includes [[Roland CM-64]] compatibility banks. Unlike the SC-55, many XG devices also offer a specific CM-64-compatible mode ([[C/M mode]]).

	== References ==		== References ==
	<references/>		<references/>

			== See also ==
			* [[C/M mode]]

Hikari no yume: hedge

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hedge

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	'''TG300B mode''' is a feature on some [[Yamaha XG]] devices that provides unofficial [[Roland GS]] compatibility.		'''TG300B mode''' is a feature on some [[Yamaha XG]] devices that provides unofficial [[Roland GS]] compatibility.

	The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark; Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>		The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark; Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks more like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>

	Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. However, testing suggests it supports a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages (not just GS Reset).		Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. However, testing suggests it supports a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages (not just GS Reset).

Hikari no yume: remove weird comma

2024-05-05T11:19:04Z

remove weird comma

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	The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark; Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>		The name refers to the [[Yamaha TG300]]'s similar "GM-B" mode, but this is a euphemism, presumably to avoid infringing on Roland's GS trademark; Yamaha's own manuals admit it "may not be able to play back TG300-specific song data with complete accuracy", but it is compatible with "MIDI data designed for ''other computer music tone generators''".<ref>[https://my.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/320948/MU80E1.pdf Yamaha MU80 Owner's Manual], page 34. Identical wording can be found in many other MU-series manuals.</ref> Also, whereas the TG300's GM-B mode only attempted to be compatible with the [[Roland SC-55]],<ref>This is suggested by comparing the patches in the TG300's ''Sound List & MIDI Data'' manual to the SC-55's.</ref> the TG300B mode provides compatibility with newer Sound Canvas devices, e.g. the [[Yamaha MU80]] TG300B patch list looks like the [[Roland SC-88]]'s.<ref>Compare the patch list on page "7-10" onwards of the [http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-88_OM.pdf Roland SC-88 Owner's Manual] to the patch list on page 32 onwards of the [https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/9/320949/MU80E2.pdf Yamaha MU80 Sound List & MIDI Data manual].</ref>

	Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported, beyond the list of patches. However, testing suggests it supports a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages (not just GS Reset).		Yamaha do not document what GS features are supported beyond the list of patches. However, testing suggests it supports a substantial number of GS System Exclusive messages (not just GS Reset).

	Like the [[Roland SC-55]], the patch set for TG300B mode includes [[Roland CM-64]] compatibility banks.		Like the [[Roland SC-55]], the patch set for TG300B mode includes [[Roland CM-64]] compatibility banks.